Can your relationship survive the baby years—and actually get stronger?

In this heartfelt and eye-opening episode, I sit down with Miranda Bayard-Clark, a couples therapist turned coach, who specializes in helping new and expectant parents protect their relationships during one of life’s biggest transitions- becoming parents. We talk about how becoming a mom changes everything, how gender roles quietly sneak in (even for the most progressive couples), and the real reason so many relationships break under the pressure of parenting.

Miranda also shares her personal journey from therapist to coach, her passion for preventative relationship care, and what inspired her to launch her signature program, The Baby Ready Blueprint. We also get real about resentment, mom guilt, identity shifts, and how to show up authentically as a business owner while raising a family.

Whether you're a new mom, coach, or entrepreneur supporting families—this one is packed with golden insights on navigating love, motherhood, and mission with more grace (and fewer breakdowns).

In this episode, we cover:

• Why Miranda pivoted from therapy to coaching—and what finally pushed her to make the leap
• The #1 overlooked life transition that rocks most relationships (and how to prepare for it)
• The invisible emotional labor most women carry after becoming moms
• Real talk: resentment, sleep deprivation, and the mental load
• Why couples wait too long to get support—and what to do instead
• The surprising limiting belief Miranda had to rewire to launch her coaching business
• The power of having a customized relationship “blueprint” before baby comes
• Miranda’s long-term vision: babymoon retreats for couples 
• How women entrepreneurs can start before they feel ready
• The shift from professionalism to personal story in the coaching world

 

Links Mentioned:

🔗 Miranda’s coaching & podcast: Love After Lullabies
📸 Instagram: @loveafterlullabies

 

Transcript:

Welcome to The Ambitious Chick, podcast. Miranda. Would you please take a moment and introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about what you do? Yeah.

 

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Miranda: Thank you so much for having me. So yeah, my name is Miranda. I'm a couples therapist. I've been in private practice working with couples for over 13 years.

 

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Miranda: And recently I just made the switch to doing some coaching because I have been focused so much on kind of helping couples repair, and my, my big passion is working with new or expectant parents.

 

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Miranda: and how to maintain and keep their solid relationship through this huge transition of becoming parents. And so so now I'm kind of making a little bit of a gear switch and doing more of the preventative work. So that's the the new business plan there. But I've always worked with newer, expectant parents doing workshops pre covid days, but things have kind of shifted since now, so much is virtual. But yeah.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Awesome. I love that so do you feel like you always wanted to be a therapist when you were younger? Or how did that evolve.

 

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Miranda: Oh, that's a good question. I don't think I really understood that I wanted to be a therapist until you know, probably after undergraduate school, looking back, though, on my life I've noticed a lot of friends, or, you know, even acquaintances just kind of gravitate towards me to process

 

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Miranda: difficult things. But you know, upon entering college I didn't know what I wanted to study even, I decided those 1st 2 years. I'm going to focus on the general requirements, and then kind of see what sparks my interest which sociology did at the time. And so that's what I majored in.

 

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Miranda: And then I moved to a different state kind of

 

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Miranda: lived up my twenties for a little bit, and then decided to come back to the Northwest, where I'm originally from, and go back to graduate school. And that's where I focused on counseling psychology.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Nice. So how did you evolve into choosing this niche and specifically working with couples? And you know new parents.

 

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Miranda: Yeah, I always thought that I wanted to work with kids and adolescents. So that was my my initial plan of doing therapy. Was that.

 

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Miranda: So I took. You know, we had to choose a track of like kids and adolescents or adults in graduate school. And I took both because I was like, well, I want to keep my options open, and I decided, you know it was towards the end of my my studies, and I took a couples, counseling course as like an elective, and I instantly fell in love with it. It really sparked a little bit of a passion for me, and you know, had you asked

 

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Miranda: in the past like you're gonna or said you're gonna be working with couples and be like that sounds awful.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: But I.

 

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Miranda: Noticed that when I opened my practice and I would see an occasional couple, I left that session feeling energized.

 

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Miranda: Instead of drained. So that was the direction of like, okay, this is, there's something here. So then I did a lot more studies and extra, you know, curricular all the continuing education courses and certifications for couples, therapy

 

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Miranda: as far as specific with new or expectant parents.

 

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Miranda: For some reason it just interested me, and I didn't see a lot of information out there. But I thought, you know.

 

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Miranda: surely this is a huge life transition of becoming parents like there's got to be some challenges there. Lo and behold, I I learned that the Gottman, you know Gottman Institute does a whole program called bringing baby home. So then I became a certified educator for that, and then started doing workshops and educational courses for for that. And then that's that's where I was just like this is amazing. It's that preventative care.

 

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Miranda: Everyone is usually like really happy and excited. And they really care about their relationship. And so they want to maintain it. And yeah, so that's where where I ended up with that.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Awesome. So what made you think about making the pivot into coaching? How did that come about?

 

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Miranda: This was pretty a pretty recent development, I would say, in this this year. I.

 

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Miranda: For some reason I started to get not known, but I started getting a lot of couples who were recovering from an affair.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Okay.

 

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Miranda: And it's very challenging work. And there's a lot of specific, you know, routes and treatments that you can do with with these couples.

 

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Miranda: Long story short, I started getting really burnt of just the work that I'm doing, where

 

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Miranda: I noticed that I'd look at my calendar and be like, oh, who do I have today, you know, almost this.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah.

 

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Miranda: Read, because it's just a lot of times the couples wait too late.

 

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Miranda: And then they seek a couple's therapist, and oftentimes it's either like, okay, try and fix our relationship, which is almost impossible if both people aren't willing or it's okay, we're checking a box that. Yes, we we did all the things in our relationship still didn't work. See? The couples therapist like it didn't work.

 

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Miranda: And after you know several years of that it, you know, I got a little crispy, so.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah, I can imagine that would burn you out really fast. Yeah.

 

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Miranda: Yeah. So I started exploring the idea of coaching. I saw a lot of coaches out there. I started seeing therapists turn into coaches

 

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Miranda: in graduate school. There was such a

 

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Miranda: you know, like us therapists are like those coaches. They don't know what they're doing. They didn't get the education. Blah blah, right? There's like this, real like battle between therapist and coach. And so I had to.

 

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Miranda: Really, you know, look inward and do my own work around my own shame of going into the coaching world. And

 

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Miranda: so, after working through that, you know, I worked with another business coach, and she kind of helped me work through that. And then it was like, All right. Yes, this is game on. This is what I want to do. And realizing that I can actually put a lot of the education that I have of nutrition and other things that aren't evidence based. Because I'm not, you know, limited to an Insurance company, telling me what I can do with couples.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Next.

 

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Miranda: So I can start actually like putting all of my heart and energy into the work that I do, being a coach.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah. So when you decided to go down the coaching path, how did you get your 1st client.

 

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Miranda: That's oh, well, there's some struggle there.

 

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Miranda: I did have a 1st client who was a friend of mine, a new friend that I made, I went on a retreat in October for something unrelated.

 

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Miranda: and we we kind of instantly became friends, and once she found out that I was doing this. She's like, Oh, my husband and I want to start trying for a baby. But I'm really worried about you know my family history and all of that, and, you know, really want to make sure that we're set up for success. So I have met with her a couple of times.

 

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Miranda: But as far as a couple I have not. There is a real struggle right now finding people, and I think what I'm noticing

 

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Miranda: is, you know, premarital therapy or premarital counseling is common, you know. That's a common thing where it's like, Oh, we're getting married. We're going to either see a therapist or see someone in our church, or you know, wherever people go, there's not a thing of preparental work. Right? So couples who are solid

 

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Miranda: are like, we're good. We're fine. We're gonna be fine. We'll figure it out later. So there's no like, I wish that I could be like, Hey, you guys.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah.

 

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Miranda: It's going to be really hard. And I want to maintain your relationship. And I want to keep it. So it's been a challenge and also showing up on social media and doing the things that people do as a middle-aged woman myself. It's a little, you know. It's a learning curve, for sure.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah. And I think I think so many coaches go into this, you know, not seeing that part that part of the business. If you know, they just wanna coach. But if you're gonna go down the coaching path a lot of times, you also have to do the marketing. You have to do the sales like there's so much, you know, else involved. So that's that's a very, very good point. I think that

 

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Tamara Wamsley: unfortunately, we are educated in society that marriage is hard, and you should probably do the premarital counseling.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: I don't know why we don't

 

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Tamara Wamsley: and understand, you know, I guess, is common knowledge how hard it is to have you have a child and how much that impacts your relationship. But you're right. I think it's funny because I we're just like, Oh, we're good, you know. We'll go right into it. And then that 1st year rocks your world right? And I think women in general understand how much it's going to change who they are. And I actually, I was just talking about this at a party yesterday.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: i 1 of my coaches. Her name is Dana.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: she she said, basically that when you're a woman and you have a baby like your body like you, you break into parts and you spend the rest of your life trying to put those pieces back together. And I'm like that is so accurate. I've never heard that before, and that makes so much sense. And I think that that is the struggle. And I think that you know that doesn't happen to the man, and that creates so much drama.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: the relationship. So it's very, very interesting. They definitely need you. So what can we do to help educate and let people know that they need you.

 

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Miranda: Yeah, that's that's the golden ticket question. Right? There. You know, you're you're absolutely right. 67% of relationships suffer a huge relationship decline after becoming parents, and even like, in heterosexual relationships, things break into more genderized roles which are not, you know, anticipated right? If a woman is working full time. It's like, Well, I'm going to keep my job. I'm going to do these things, but

 

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Miranda: society is not set up in a way where they can really foster that. So

 

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Miranda: old stuff comes up right old triggers. You know. I was a therapist before I became a parent, and I was like, I've worked through all my stuff right?

 

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Miranda: It's still working all my stuff. And then I became a parent. I was like, Oh, snap

 

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Miranda: these like memories and things that I thought I had worked through.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah.

 

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Miranda: Are looking at a different lens of me now being a parent. So

 

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Miranda: yeah, it's just. And the work that I do specifically with couples is, I design, like their own individual blueprint, essentially that they can have prepped and have with them.

 

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Miranda: After they become parents, they can always refer back to. And we touch on all of these different topics. Extended. Family included roles, housework, task, emotional labor, sex and intimacy. All of these things that become issues

 

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Miranda: and and how how it looks for them. Specifically, that's not something that I could do as like a workshop, because it's very customized.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah.

 

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Miranda: But just having that toolkit right, you know, having it ready if you need it when you need it. It's not if

 

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Miranda: just to set up the relationship for success.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yes, I feel like this generation is doing a better job of that than my generation did. It was very, you know. I see, my oldest son has a son now, and he's 1, and I see how much he is involved. And you know they do tackle things as a partnership

 

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Tamara Wamsley: versus, you know, Gen. X. It was still very much, you know the the woman does the majority of the caregiving and the cleaning, and those kinds of things. So I I do feel like it's getting better.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: However, I I understand the impact of what happens when you have a baby, and I think that I think that society pressures us into a lot of those roles as well.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: I also think that as women we have to be careful. I know I did this myself where I wanted things done a specific way which made my husband feel like he wasn't doing a good job, and so then he kind of backed off and let me take the role, because I, you know, wanted it done my way. And so I think we create a lot of that drama on ourselves, too.

 

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Miranda: Absolutely. Yeah. That's a really common pattern that I see. And I talk a lot about is, you know, there's a there's a circle of women. Right? A baby is born, you know, girlfriends, mothers, grandmothers like it's in circles and encompasses this new mom, and then also kind of pushes out the dad a little bit. So the dad retreats to well, I know how I can help, and that's working more, which is kind of the starting block of those like genderized roles start to take shape.

 

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Miranda: But yeah, society it is. It is getting better, which is very good. We have a lot of work to do.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah, yes, absolutely. So. How do you typically serve your clients? Are you just doing the one on one? Or are you doing any group or courses, or anything like that.

 

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Miranda: Yeah. So I do one on one coaching. I also have a couple of courses that are not virtual. It is virtual, but it's it's live. So it's not like a course that they watch at their own time. We just schedule it. The one that I'm most proud of is my baby ready blueprint, which is what I alluded to earlier. And it's 6 weeks of me, you know, one on one sessions with me, where we talk about each of those topics, and at the end I give them their, you know, summary blueprint. So they have that

 

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Miranda: I also have my after ascent, or ever after essentials, which is a premarital precommittal type of work as well. I'm in the process of wanting to create some sort of group work. But you know, that's

 

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Miranda: we'll see. We'll see how that looks. I'm trying to decide how I want that to look, whether it's in person or

 

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Miranda: virtual, or, you know, an access course that people can have.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah, I think so. Maybe I shouldn't even offer this. But I'm going to it. What if you offered premarital counseling just because it is so easy and it's so available. And then this is like a second phase of that. I could see that working for you as far as marketing. Wise? Yeah, maybe something.

 

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Miranda: That's what I was thinking as well. That's why I created the like ever after essentials of like, okay, this is common people do it. And then it's like, Okay, you know what to expect. And then moving into that next phase, if they decide to be parents. But.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Because otherwise I think it's something that people don't realize they need. And you can't sell something that they're not looking for. People don't realize that they need it. However, if you offered like after the baby's here, I'm sure you would get a rush of people, because because that's when we figured out we needed it. So just.

 

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Miranda: Also fun. I do a podcast, with my husband. So.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Oh, nice!

 

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Miranda: Love after lullabies podcast which we've done for we just finished up our season season. 3. So that's what started that was kind of the baby.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Oh, yeah.

 

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Miranda: Going into the coaching world. So we interview other couples who are already parents. And we talk about what? What did your relationship look like before. What does it look like now? And so there is a host of wisdom and gems in there, for you know, parents who are, or expectant parents just to take the advice and wisdom of other parents out there, you know, like, expect this. But this is what happened, and.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: I love that I love that so what do you think is your favorite part of what you do.

 

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Miranda: I I just.

 

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Miranda: I think what gives me the goosebumps is when I work with a couple and we identify a pattern that has been there for years.

 

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Miranda: and we just name it and identify and find out. Why is this happening, or where did it come from? And then, just seeing those light bulb moments of like, Oh, my gosh! We are spending so much energy on this one thing when it's actually this. And now we just have so much more understanding of each other, and how operate? I love seeing those moments, and

 

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Miranda: it's definitely not something I take for granted. You know I always am in awe of couples who trust me to be able to see the most intimate and vulnerable parts of their relationship, and being willing to be open with me about it. And yeah, I really love that. It's something that makes me feel like, okay, this makes you feel real good. Yeah.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah, I love that. And it's so helpful to them. Right? That's what really matters. Yeah. So what matters most to you in your business?

 

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Miranda: Time flexibility. So I I work full time in my practice.

 

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Miranda: it's definitely important for me to.

 

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Miranda: you know. Provide for the family, and also I'm there for my kids. So the hours that I work are when they are in school, and I get those done, and I'm able to pick them up from school and take them to the various sports and activities, and still be really present for me, so that flexibility is important. I remember the early days of building, my practice of working evenings and weekends.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yep.

 

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Miranda: When my oldest was a babe and that was difficult, and I told myself like one day, you are going to be able to

 

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Miranda: do your own schedule and still be present for your kids. I know that's something that women struggle with of. You know, we feel like we're really thriving in one area and we're failing in another. And

 

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Miranda: if we could just kind of be subpar in all of it, great.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah.

 

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Miranda: That is success to me of like we're not going to be fully, you know, feel fully successful in all aspects of life. It's just

 

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Miranda: unreasonable. So kind of giving yourself some grace of Yeah, I you know

 

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Miranda: I double booked somebody by accident. Whoops, you know. I'm not gonna beat myself up about that or.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Right.

 

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Miranda: I was maybe a couple minutes late picking up my daughter from school. I'm not going to beat myself up for that, but I'm here, you know.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah.

 

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Miranda: Giving yourself more grace.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah, how do you define success?

 

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Miranda: I think when I at the end of the day, feel

 

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Miranda: the good sounds so boring. But like when I feel like, okay, that I put in. I put in this effort.

 

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Miranda: That energy. Gosh, that's a really good question. I don't know how to like describe it in words.

 

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Miranda: Like.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: I think what you're trying to say is, maybe everything kind of feels aligned.

 

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Miranda: Yeah, yeah, it feels aligned. I've I'm able to balance for the most part of

 

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Miranda: not only time with my kids, time in my business time for myself, of working out and

 

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Miranda: meditating, or, you know, doing other things that feel.

 

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Miranda: Fill my bucket.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: yeah, I love that. So what is one thing that you wish you knew before you started your coaching business?

 

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Miranda: One thing I wish I knew is seek advice and wisdom of other coaches. Early.

 

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Miranda: There is a tendency for a lot of us, myself included, to be like, I'm gonna do it on my own, you know.

 

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Miranda: or asking for help is really hard, and I've had a lot of women. Say, Hey, I know you're doing this thing. If you want to grab coffee sometime, I can share my experience with you of, you know. And then that voice that's like, well, maybe they don't really want to. Don't listen to that voice

 

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Miranda: offering help and take it. So that is something that really, you know, developing your your circle, your trusted coaches and advice, and and women and other. You know people in the field, or similar fields.

 

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Miranda: Soak it in, be a sponge. And it's okay to ask for help.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: I love that.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: So what is one thing that, having your business has changed for you, that you didn't expect.

 

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Miranda: I think now I'm able to be

 

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Miranda: more authentic and share my own story with people. I can't do that as a therapist, you know I have to be really private. I have to be very professional, but being in in the coaching world.

 

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Miranda: it has opened me up to to sharing my own personal experience and my own struggles that my partner have. I and I have had that feels really good because it it kind of.

 

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Miranda: It's a sense of like equality when I'm working with with a client rather than like I'm in the power role right now as a therapist, so

 

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Miranda: that for me has been really surprising of how

 

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Miranda: helpful that has been, you know, just to show up like I'm able to show up as myself.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Right.

 

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Miranda: That feels really good.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: And I'm sure it feels really good to your clients, too, because it doesn't feel like there's such a hierarchy right.

 

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Miranda: I would hope so. Yeah.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Do you want to share your story?

 

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Miranda: Sure. Let's see. So I was like I said, a therapist before I became a parent, and I was one of those people that were like, we're going to be fine. We have a great relationship, you know.

 

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Miranda: Well, I really struggled with breastfeeding right away. We had a lot of challenges.

 

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Miranda: and in in the nighttime I would have to pump while my husband would bottle feed. So we'd have this like whole system set in place, and

 

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Miranda: it got to the point where thankfully I was able to breastfeed on my own.

 

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Miranda: and then I would watch my husband sleep.

 

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Miranda: and I, breastfeeding was still very painful, and it turned into me, watching him sleep me saying things in my head like I must be so nice, you know, and struggling, being very lonely at night, and the next morning, hearing him have the audacity to say, I got terrible sleep last night, you know, like

 

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Miranda: right. So there was a lot of like little moments of building those blocks of resentment, you know, another very, very simple one, but it was huge, and something that we really talked about was when we had the baby monitor, when she was in her own room, just the simple

 

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Miranda: act of Who's taking the baby monitor? On what side of the bed right was really telling. I had the plugin on my side, so he would come up and put it on my side.

 

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Miranda: and then I would start to think like, why is it always me? Why am I the one you know? And so that was a huge area of of me, just like holding on to this resentment we finally talked about it of like you know what? When you take the baby monitor on your side like it means so much to me. And he was like, Oh, yeah, gosh! I didn't even think about that, you know, so many times. It's

 

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Miranda: very simple, and partners are willing to be like, Oh, yeah, this is bothering you. Well, yeah, let's fix it, and let's change it. It's not out of the out of the world to ask. You know, a small favor. So

 

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Miranda: yeah. So I mean, we luckily were able to to work through things. And

 

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Miranda: and we've had a lot of stuff with work as well, because I was a therapist, because I had my own practice. I could be flexible.

 

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Miranda: So a lot of that stuff fell to me. If kiddos were sick, doctor appointments, etc. I got to work around, but you know, in the early days he recognized that, and was able to be like, Hey, I have sick time. You don't. So

 

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Miranda: work. I will take that time off to be home with with kids. Which then also was a whole slew of mom guilt right of like, well, I'm taking care of my babies, you know. It's

 

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Miranda: seriously. It never no matter what situation. There's always going to be some sort of negative.

 

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Miranda: you know, feedback or something that happens, that you just have to keep talking about it and chat.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Well, that's another thing. I think that I don't know if it's society, or if we do it to ourselves. But no matter what choice you make as a mother. It's never good enough, you know. If you do, you're guilt, you feel guilty. If you don't, you feel guilty like it's just such a struggle.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: and I don't know that men necessarily have that. I think they just make their decision, and they're like good with it, and I don't know like where that comes from, do you think? Do you think we do it to ourself, or do you think it's societal pressure, or what is that.

 

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Miranda: You know. I think both. It's a little bit of both. You know the way that humans have changed over the eons. We just don't have the support that we used to have. Right. A lot of us are away from family and friends, so we're doing it on our own. That's what my husband and I did. We did not have help from anybody. So that was that was a struggle. We'd have our parents like come down every once in a while. They live, you know, farther away, but

 

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Miranda: we don't have the support. So that is lacking. We're we're also kind of doing it to ourselves a little bit. But society is not set up in a way that is conducive to new parents, you know. Take

 

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Miranda: parental leave, for example, compared to other countries.

 

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Miranda: So yeah, it's it's a mix of a lot of things.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah. Do you feel like you had any limiting beliefs or anything that came up as you started to transition into the coaching piece.

 

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Miranda: Oh, yeah, I mean, I still am working through some of those right of

 

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Miranda: I struggle with something. I get help, you know. The person will say, Well, this is what you got to do. This is the missing piece I'm like, Oh, great! And then I do the thing, and it still is not like. I'm struggling a little bit. My most common limiting belief is something that has been with me since a child, which is, I'm not one of the lucky ones.

 

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Miranda: So this was instilled in me when I was little of just listening to my parents. Talk about other people's success and say like, well, they're lucky. They're just lucky. Okay, so that was something that really I had to work through a lot. Still do where I think. Well, I'm not one of the lucky ones, you know. It just works for some people. It's not going to work for me. It just comes easy for some people. It's not going to come easy for me. I have to work for it, and that's not necessarily truth.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah, yeah. So what do you think your why is outside of your family?

 

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Miranda: My, why?

 

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Miranda: I think relationships are just such a huge investment. And

 

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Miranda: I want people to feel safe and secure and happy and loving in their relationship. We all deserve that we all deserve somebody

 

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Miranda: to

 

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Miranda: ease our deepest fears and vulnerabilities, and feel safe. And if if there's a couple out there who feels that way towards each other like what a gift for their kids, you know, to be able to bear witness to that and be able to have conflict

 

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Miranda: productively. It's okay to have conflict. I think there's some people are very fearful of it. So really kind of rewriting the script of conflict and working through things. And you know, while still feeling safe and secure.

 

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Miranda: I want that for everyone.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: I love that.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: What is one thing that you hope to be remembered for.

 

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Miranda: maybe giving the benefit of the doubt. I know it's kind of I don't know why that popped up for me. But if, for example, I'm driving in a car, and somebody cuts me off.

 

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Miranda: My partner might be like, Oh, God, man, that person's an asshole, and I'm like, well, maybe they are late for something or somebody is hurt in their family, and they're trying to like.

 

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Miranda: you know. I feel like I'm pretty pretty good seeing maybe another perspective. And I want

 

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Miranda: hopefully to be recognized for that. I don't know.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: I love that we should all be like that.

 

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Miranda: I'm gonna work on that.

 

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Miranda: I mean, I have my moments. Don't get me wrong.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: That's awesome. Do you have any tips or advice for couples who are going into this challenge?

 

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Miranda: Oh, I think, sitting down and talking with each other about fears that you have.

 

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Miranda: we tend to keep our fears to ourselves.

 

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Miranda: One, maybe because well, if we talk about our fears, it's going to come true, or it might feel silly, or you know,

 

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Miranda: yeah, or even just scary to talk about, but sitting down with each other of like this is a fear I have.

 

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Miranda: I fear that some of these you know past patterns from when I was a child are going to come through in this way, or I fear you know what might happen raising kids now in this political environment. What's that going to look like, you know, really sitting down and talking with each other about it? And it just kind of opens up that vulnerable

 

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Miranda: piece of yourself.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah, absolutely. Do you have any tips or advice for women who are thinking about starting their own business?

 

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Miranda: Yeah, start. Just start. I think myself

 

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Miranda: my hold up was that I had to have everything lined up perfect before I could quote unquote launch.

 

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Miranda: and one of the best pieces of advice I got from another coach was that

 

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Miranda: you don't have to do that. Nobody cares that your website is perfect. Nobody cares that you, you know, are still working on your documentation, and you know, paperwork and all that.

 

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Miranda: If you have something that you want to start doing.

 

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Miranda: Just start talking about it and putting yourself out there. It doesn't have to be lined up the way that you think it should quote unquote. Should

 

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Miranda: a lot of those successful people are out there just just doing it. And then things line up, and you can always be working on this stuff behind the scenes.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah. And I don't know about you, but things never actually line up. So that's like you. If you wait until things are all. If you have all your ducks in a row like you're never starting like it's impossible. Yeah.

 

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Miranda: And oftentimes it can be used. I know for myself it was used as an excuse. Yeah.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: It's.

 

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Miranda: There's a lot of fear, of.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yourself out there, and it's like, Well, I have all this other stuff that I have to do first, st you know. So it kind of keeps yourself behind that door.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I'm 1 of those people I could spend 30 years editing my website like, it's.

 

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Miranda: Right.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: I I change it all the time. Yeah.

 

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Miranda: Yeah, yeah.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: So are you using AI in your business at all?

 

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Miranda: Little bit. Not much so typically what I use AI for is, I'll write up my own messaging script design of a program.

 

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Miranda: and then I'll use AI Plunk all that in and say like, Make this sound nice, because I you know writing is not my strong suit, but I know exactly what I want to say. So I have this vision, for this is the program that I want, or this is what I want to say, and then I'll utilize it to make it sound good. But yeah, it's been. It's helpful. It saves a lot of time, and you know, asking other people to edit things.

 

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Miranda: I don't have to anymore.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: I love that. So what's next for you?

 

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Miranda: What is next? Yeah, just continuing to put myself out there. There's a lot of

 

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Miranda: hesitancy of doing that. The social media piece. But I'm kind of starting to break through that. So

 

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Miranda: as an idea comes up for a real or a message that I want to put that put out there. I just do it right then that same day, because if I don't, I won't, because I'll keep thinking about it and perfecting it or etc. So I'm trying to be more sporadic or like impulsive.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah.

 

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Miranda: With that

 

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Miranda: But my! My ultimate dream would be to host. Babymoon retreats for couples. You know my, my long term goal would be because a lot of people do baby moons. You know those last last trip with your partner before you become a parent, and that would be great to incorporate a lot of the work that I do with couples, while also, you know, having them stay in a beautiful place, and, you know, have that time together. So.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: I love that.

 

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Miranda: A long term dream right there.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Yeah, you need to just do it. What?

 

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Miranda: I know.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Sounds, fantastic.

 

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Miranda: Yeah, yeah, thanks. It'll be fun.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: So where can we connect with you?

 

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Miranda: You can find me at loveafterlullabies.com. That's also the name of our podcast and we're all over the place on spotify apple wherever you can find podcasts.

 

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Miranda: And then Instagram is our biggest social media, which is also love after lullaby. So I have dabbled in the Tiktok world. I'm terrible at the Tiktok thing, Instagram. I just feel more comfortable with maybe it's my age, but.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: Probably the relationship aspect of Instagram that you like. Yeah.

 

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Miranda: Yeah, yeah, even though I have more followers on Tiktok, I I don't know that their actual, you know.

 

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Miranda: actual, true followers, whereas Instagram, we have a small account, but we engage with our with our listeners.

 

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Tamara Wamsley: I love that well, thank you so much for coming on, Miranda. This is fantastic.

 

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Miranda: Yeah, thanks for having me. This is fun. It's nice being on the other. The other end of the podcasting world.